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So what they do is Codesmith tell their graduates to be very deceptive, if not straight up lies, on their resumes. I fear that this has been happening with their graduates for awhile, and part of the reason why companies mistrust bootcamp grads, because of this very reason. Codesmith tells them to put their group project on their resume as so called work experience, as well as telling them to put open source as work experience as well. ![]() For hiring managers and engineer managers: Watch out for those things listed above, and ask your candidates about their details of their work experience, make sure to ask them if it was a paid gig or not. For people looking to change careers via coding bootcamp: I would suggest you avoid it completely, most of these bootcamps are too good to be true, and they usually are Update Edit as of 4419: So Ive been able to get a lot of feedback as well as opinions on all sides regarding this issue, I appreciate everyone giving me their honest opinions, I can definitely see that not all Codesmith grads are trying to hide their experience, as well as people that are trying to transition from their careers to software engineering and how much of a crutch they can be at when trying to get their first job. There are multiple accounts calling me a troll or accusing me of fabricating my own credentials, Im going to take the high road and just point out that, from where Im standing, fabricating experience via personal projects is not the way to go, yes, there can be an argument that thats how new transitioners can gain an edge, otherwise their resume will never be viewed, but I argue that, for some or many companies, doing that is a dead giveaway that something is not kosher. Codesmith Code Smith GradsThis is not my first rodeo interviewing bootcamp grads, Ive dealt with lies and fabrications before, but I feel that this took it to a whole nother level, so in conclusion, in my opinion at least, putting your group project under work experience and putting your GitHub open source projects under work experience as well is a big sign on overpromising, and ethically, it can really get out of hand if candidates coming in with these resumes are not being honest with their overall experience, and for this, I still put the fault on Codesmith for generating an environment that accepts this behavior, now Ive gotten many replies from former Codesmith grads that Codesmith does not do this and this is not true at all, but there were a couple of code smith grads in this thread, as well as some of them that messaged me privately, that informed me that this is common practice in Codesmith. Now Im always aware of any he said she said situations, and this is one of them, that also includes me of course, so for newcomers that are not Codesmith grads, you can choose to not believe me or my opinions, but I ask that you do your research diligently, as I checked out several resumes of the same format I described above, as well and linkedin profiles of, well, almost all codesmith grads following this exact format. I simply ask that you should be more forward and transparent in your job search, and that there is no magic pill in getting a senior level engineering job, you can fake it at some companies, but not others. And based on what Ive heard from the grads that came out and gave me substantial information on how Codesmith operates, I challenge Codesmith to be more transparent as well with letting potential students know the tactics they use to find a mid-senior level job with only 3 months of studying. Because the more and more Codesmith grads come out and accuse me that Im a troll, the more and more I wonder why they are so quick to pull that trigger, and I wonder if it is a defense mechanism to hide or draw attention away from the real truth 56 comments share save hide report 74 Upvoted This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast Sort by best level 1 3 points 1 year ago oh Wow, i actually attended a few of their hosted meetups wondering if i should join or not, i always thought the owner guy Will talking like his bootcamp is the best in the world was fishy, they also clained 105k at 92 placement rate for their outcomes which i thought was too good to be true, now i know why haha. Its not like Codesmith students are being coached to lie about their previous experience, and in fact I remember the lead instructor when I graduated (I graduated in October last year) explicitly telling us that lying about anything at all during the job process is pretty much the biggest possible red flag because it means youre not going to be honest later on when youre on a big project, or if you have a tight deadline, or if you make a mistake. So when youre on the hiring side and you have a candidate lie, yeah, thats pretty much the worst. As far as the actual resume stuff goes, I would say that a good number of students do list their production project as experience and a lot of the time its because they dont have any other previous job experience. Imagine putting in 80 hour weeks for 3 months to learn the necessary skills to become an engineer and then no one even looks at your resume because you dont have 5 years of experience. Is it wrong to lie about your past experience Definitely yes. Codesmith Free To DoAre people free to do whatever they want with their lives and lie through their teeth to get a job and end up completely out of their depth because they lied to get the job Also yes. I guess my point is that the responsibility is largely on the employer. If you end up hiring a dud because you were so focused on the fact that someone listed a big project as work experience but didnt ask them any engineering questions, is that the candidates fault Just because OP found a few resumes that had a similar pattern (Im assuming these were recent grads who all applied to the same job) that doesnt mean Codesmith is telling people to lie to interviewers. I put my final project under experience, but whenever I was asked about it I was completely honest about the fact that it was not a company and that I wasnt paid for my work.
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